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Kazaa: Illegal Or Not?
« on: October 20, 2003, 03:25:42 pm »
well..i've heard a lot of comments going around that kazaa is illegal, and no it's legal, and blah blah blah blah. well here in san diego, it's been old news that police man people whoever they are are hiring college students (part time) to track down kazaa downloaders and turn them in. then the people who gotted caught getting the music/pictures/movies/etc. are fined. a lot. this one kid (twelve years old) was tracked and he (or his parents) have to pay thousands. i don't know. this is just ponderinginging me. i hate it when this happens.


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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2003, 03:50:37 pm »
well, Kazaa by itself isnt illegal, its the files shared that are. According to riaa(recording industry artists association) it is copyright infringement to "share" your files, because the artists that wrote it dont get paid for it. I feel personally that if people stopped becoming artists for the money, then we'd get better music out of them, but then again if it was all free then there'd be no good music, so its kind of a trade off. but ya, kazaa isnt illegal, but depending on what you do with it, it can be used illegally

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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2003, 03:55:07 pm »
I have Kazaa Lite, so now I have it to where you can't share files. So now there's no paying for me! Muahahaha!

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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2003, 03:56:36 pm »
LOL. that's funny. loofah loofah loofah.


well........ haha. bored. i don't know. but my dad deleted kazaa anyway. -precautions, precautions-

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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2003, 03:58:02 pm »
I still don't know how to get Kazaa. Anyone?

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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2003, 04:01:26 pm »
Download it off Kazaa. :tongue:  

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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2003, 04:07:14 pm »
I'm not supposed to use Kazaa, my parents think that we will be fined, but I still use it anyways  :tongue:  

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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2003, 04:29:04 pm »
The only way you can get fined on Kazaa is by sharing your files, the riaa is hiring people to download on Kazaa, and report the IP of the people they downloaded from. From there they use an IP lookup to see what ISP uses the IP, then they sue the ISP to get to the user. But ya, they can only come after you if they downloaded a "copyrighted" song from your hard drive
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2003, 05:23:05 pm »
I wrote a long angry speech about this a month or two ago, I'll try to find it...

Ah, here it is:

It's really sad how stubborn and clueless some of you people are. Ok, I'm going to start out by saying that KAZAA ISN'T ILLEGAL. The program in itself is perfectly legal. It's just a way of transferring files from one person to another. It is possible to use it illegally though, when the files being transferred are copyrighted, and the person sending it or recieveing it does not have the rights to the file. This is what the whole RIAA issue is about. The RIAA is a firm that protects the copyrights of it's clients, who are the record companies. The RIAA's goal is to stop the illegal distribution of it's copyrighted materials on Kazaa. Right now, employees at the RIAA and visiting Kazaa and are searching for music files that are copyrighted by it's clients. When they find the files, they download them and see who it is that they are downloading from. They then get the person's IP address by using netstat. Netstat is an ms-dos command that show's any internet transfers being made. After getting the person's IP/Domain name, they file a subpoena that allows them to go to the person's ISP, which has to give the name/address/telephone number of the user who had the IP address at the time of the file transfer. As of right now, around 1,100 subpoenas have been filed by the RIAA. The RIAA is then going to file lawsuits against those people. So that sums up the RIAA process, now for some Q&A:

Q: So that means that using Kazaa is illegal, right?
A: No, it only means that sending copyrighted files that you don't have the rights for is illegal. Any file that isn't copyrighted is legal to distribute on Kazaa

Q: Can I get arrested for downloading files off of Kazaa?
A: No, actually you can't. The RIAA can only file a subpoena if they downloaded an illegal file off of you. The RIAA can't put up copyrighted files and then sue you if you try to download them, because that would be entrapment.

Q: Is the government going to arrest me?
A: No, the government currently is not doing anything about this. These are civil cases, RIAA vs. filesharer, not criminal cases, Government vs. filesharer. So a lawsuit will only result in a loss of money, not going to jail. Also, the RIAA wants to settle as many cases as possible out of court to save legal fees. This isn't a campaign to try to make more money for themselves, as they are already getting paid well by the record industry. This is propaganda to try to scare people out of using Kazaa.

Q: What are the chances of me being sued?
A: Not very high. Millions of people use Kazaa, but only 1,100 are going to be sued right now. Also, those being sued are people who share a LOT of copyrighted materials for the most part. If you disable the uploading of files in Kazaa, then there's a 0% chance of getting sued.

Q: What is Kazaa Lite, and how can it help me?
A: Kazaa Lite is a version of Kazaa that has no Spyware or Adware. It also has additional tools that can speed up downloads and just generally improve the Kazaa experience. It can also prevent you from getting sued, because it has an option to disable letting people see what files you have. It also blocks IP address ranges used by the RIAA, but that feature isn't likely to help much, because the RIAA can easily use other IP addresses.  
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2003, 05:07:34 am »
it is illegal in my state. they have arrested people. how stupid. The NY gov't is so strict

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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2003, 05:20:06 am »
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2003, 01:59:15 pm »
I don't share any files, not even one. I just get em from other folks. n I use WinMX, its smaller but has all the songs ever and isnt so mush heard of. It rox. use that instead. i hate all that stupid talk bout fining and arresting ppz.. i mean, Hello?! this is so stupid. y dont they fine people for taping the songs off the RADIO! its the same thing but instead of a radio and cassette, its a computer and a CD. good grief...

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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2003, 02:15:22 pm »
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it is illegal in my state. they have arrested people. how stupid. The NY gov't is so strict
Read what I just wrote. :sleep:
The still fine or arrest ppl in NY!

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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2003, 02:19:03 pm »
How can they do that without breaching you right to privacy??? I mean to do what you are saying they would have to be able to break into your computer, and see that you are using the software, then find out if you are using it illegally...and to do that they either hafta hack yer box, or actually come into yer house, and see you using it.
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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2003, 03:44:39 pm »
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it is illegal in my state. they have arrested people. how stupid. The NY gov't is so strict
Read what I just wrote. :sleep:
The still fine or arrest ppl in NY!
No, they don't.  Read what I just wrote!  

mermaidman97007, they don't need to do anything like that.  Read what I wrote above.  The entire process is written there.
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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2003, 04:02:12 pm »
cmonkey, I did read what you said, I just responded to what he'd said...I know the process too, I went to riaa.com, and looked it up a long time ago :happy:
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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2003, 03:24:12 pm »
:blink:

Dony use Kazaa  or kazaa Lite because there are worms in the sotware and they will destroy your hard drive , they will also erase your operating system password therefore you wont be able to access your computer unless enteing safe mode by pressing F8 of F12.

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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2003, 03:33:33 pm »
uhhhhh thats not true...
you can however download worms and viruses...

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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2003, 05:12:52 am »
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it is illegal in my state. they have arrested people. how stupid. The NY gov't is so strict
Read what I just wrote. :sleep:
The still fine or arrest ppl in NY!
No, they don't.  Read what I just wrote!  

mermaidman97007, they don't need to do anything like that.  Read what I wrote above.  The entire process is written there.
it is illegal in NY u do not even live in NY anyway they also enforce it very well here u would not understand coz u do not live here so how would u kno wat it is like in another state?

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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2003, 12:50:47 pm »
Well Kazaa is illegal in TX, and well the Texas State Govt. is probably very strict than NY (I've been to NY). Anyway it's soooo strict that if you CAN get arrested if a record company or a cop finds out you have Kazaa in your computer. Mainly if you share your files with another person, just DON'T. My uncle in San Antonio used to have Kazaa until my cousin was arrested for it and is now in juvey because he e-mailed the record company that he has Kazaa.

Oh, well.  

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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2003, 06:35:27 pm »
WOW you people really really annoy me.  KAZAA ISNT ILLEGAL.  Sharing copyrighted files without a licence to do so is illegal.  Hmm, I'll describe it in terms that you might be able to understand.  Lets say you own an axe.  The axe is just a tool, like Kazaa.  Nobody can arrest you for using an axe to chop your own wood.  But, if you use the axe to break someones mailbox, you've committed a crime.  Get it now?

2.  YOU CANT GET ARRESTED FOR USING/HAVING KAZAA.  Read above.  Even if you were caught spreading copyrighted files, you aren't going to get arrested.  Why?  Because its a CIVIL LAWSUIT, not a CRIMINAL LAWSUIT.  Its between the RIAA and you, not the government and you.  The government is merely an intermediary between you and the RIAA.

So, before anyone even bothers to reply to this, DO SOME RESEARCH.  Remember kids, Google.com is your friend.
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« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2003, 09:10:38 am »
I think it's illegal,

I don't use it any way,

MAYBE because it's responsible for 4 of my 5 computer virus' :angry:  :sad:  :angry:  :sad:
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« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2003, 09:15:32 am »
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I think it's illegal,

I don't use it any way,

MAYBE because it's responsible for 4 of my 5 computer virus' :angry:  :sad:  :angry:  :sad:
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Its NOT Responsible for those viruses...you are, for downloading them to your harddrive, and opening them w/o scanning them 1st...
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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2003, 05:03:45 am »
Kazaa is illegal in NY when people "steal" copyrighted files

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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2003, 12:44:42 pm »
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WOW you people really really annoy me.  KAZAA ISNT ILLEGAL.  Sharing copyrighted files without a licence to do so is illegal.  Hmm, I'll describe it in terms that you might be able to understand.  Lets say you own an axe.  The axe is just a tool, like Kazaa.  Nobody can arrest you for using an axe to chop your own wood.  But, if you use the axe to break someones mailbox, you've committed a crime.  Get it now?

2.  YOU CANT GET ARRESTED FOR USING/HAVING KAZAA.  Read above.  Even if you were caught spreading copyrighted files, you aren't going to get arrested.  Why?  Because its a CIVIL LAWSUIT, not a CRIMINAL LAWSUIT.  Its between the RIAA and you, not the government and you.  The government is merely an intermediary between you and the RIAA.

So, before anyone even bothers to reply to this, DO SOME RESEARCH.  Remember kids, Google.com is your friend.
You obviously didnt read this...read again please!
It Is NOT ILLEGAL to have Kazaa on your comp. It is illegal to have a buncha copyrighted files on your comp that you dont have permission to have...

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« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2003, 03:03:16 pm »
thats wat i just said stupid

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« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2003, 03:13:08 pm »
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Kazaa is illegal in NY when people "steal" copyrighted files
I am not stupid...BTW it is illegal in the whole U.S. u idiot!!! And its not 'stealing' its 'sharing' get it right...

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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2003, 03:15:05 pm »
Guys and girls, I would calm down if I were you. You don't want a ban do you? You have no rights to call each other idiots and dumb. Please get along and make this a fun enviroment for people to "hang out".

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« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2003, 03:20:01 pm »
Thank you Patrick.  Now I don't have to yell at them  :tongue:  
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« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2003, 03:22:18 pm »
Good job telling people off and not being a mod Patrick. I wish I had that skill. :box:  

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« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2003, 03:22:22 pm »
My apologies, i was too aggressive...

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« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2003, 03:23:58 pm »
Woah, did I say something sorta smart? It must've been subconsionsly (sp?). Well, I'm not trying to be a mod or anything. I'm trying to make this place a good comunity. /suckign up.

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« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2003, 03:28:44 pm »
sorry i just dont like being called an idiot...my step dad used to do that til I beat him unconsoius with a shovel...

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« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2003, 03:32:28 pm »
Wow, if I were you I would've used a hoe.

Okay, so that wasn't funny. It's not like I'm growing up to be a comedian...
Kazaa's pretty good for finding music that's not in stores or anything. I think. There's this one song I'm looking for...

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« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2003, 07:34:27 pm »
Im new here and kinda fuzzy about this issue....
   How do I know if what Im downloading is copyrighted or not??  

   If Im understanding this correctly, I can download anything from Kazaa aslong as its not copyrighted, right??

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« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2003, 08:07:29 pm »
basically...yes. And theres the problem...basically everything is copyrighted...even shareware...