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« on: January 21, 2005, 08:19:17 pm »
Thank you God for allowing America to make a holiday on such a wonderful man.  He brought Catholicism to the natives.  He discovered America.  He brought fine goods like tabocco and natural resources to help the natives.  He proved thee world was not flat, but round like a sphere.  If that is not holiday worthy, I don't know what is.  Vive Italia!

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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2005, 08:32:45 pm »
He didn't "bring" catholicism, he killed, enslaved, and raped natives so they'd agree with him.

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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2005, 08:35:04 pm »
He KILLED all the Indians. Besides even he if DIDN'T discover America, we would still most likely be here.
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2005, 08:35:28 pm »
He didn't even discover it. He never stepped foot on it.

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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2005, 08:37:27 pm »
So you mean all he did was kill everyone. He was planning on an invasion on Japan, but he died before any of that stuff could happen.

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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2005, 08:40:55 pm »
There is no proof he did that.  You are just repeating liberal propaganda you heard against him.  Please encite actual historical evidence that Columbus commited these atrocities you claim.  He brought plumbing and civilization to the natives.  If it wasn't for him, most of the world's Hispanics would not exist: 80% of them are a mixture of native and spanish blood.  So, by defaming Columbus, you are insulting Italian Americans by the vicious slanders that you go against him.  That is hatred against these Italian Americans, which make up 10% of the population, and Italian Canadians, which make up 6% of their country.  Columbus is a great man.  Leave him alone.

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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2005, 08:41:55 pm »
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So, by defaming Columbus, you are insulting Italian Americans by the vicious slanders that you go against him. 
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2005, 08:47:40 pm »
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Thank you God for allowing America to make a holiday on such a wonderful man.  He brought Catholicism to the natives.  He discovered America.  He brought fine goods like tabocco and natural resources to help the natives.  He proved thee world was not flat, but round like a sphere.  If that is not holiday worthy, I don't know what is.  Vive Italia!
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1) He did nothing good for the natives, he led a group of people to kill them for land
2) He didn't discover America, he discovered the Bahamas, I think, it was some Island near America
3) He didn't prove the world was flat, everyone already knew it was round, that story's just told to make his a better story
4) If Magellan doesn't get a holiday, Columbus shouldnt either.

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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2005, 08:49:53 pm »
Land sakes. GreenDayFreak is on a role tonight. Once again he summed it up before I could. Dang kid.

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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2005, 08:50:42 pm »
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Land sakes. GreenDayFreak is on a role tonight. Once again he summed it up before I could. Dang kid.
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2005, 08:51:22 pm »
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There is no proof he did that.  You are just repeating liberal propaganda you heard against him.  Please encite actual historical evidence that Columbus commited these atrocities you claim.  He brought plumbing and civilization to the natives.  If it wasn't for him, most of the world's Hispanics would not exist: 80% of them are a mixture of native and spanish blood.  So, by defaming Columbus, you are insulting Italian Americans by the vicious slanders that you go against him.  That is hatred against these Italian Americans, which make up 10% of the population, and Italian Canadians, which make up 6% of their country.  Columbus is a great man.  Leave him alone.
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HE DID. There has been evidence in his journal that one day he wishes that he could go to Japan. But he died before it happened. It ISN'T propganda, it's true! It's even in my textbook in school!!!!

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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2005, 08:52:11 pm »
There's not much more to say.. they've summed it up.

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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2005, 08:57:00 pm »
Here's my say on this...

He founded round America...whoopee...who cares.

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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2005, 09:40:21 pm »
He brought alcohol and horses to America..the one ruined the Natives and the other ruined the bison.

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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2005, 09:53:38 pm »
Haven't we had a topic exactly like this before?  I might just be losing my mind...
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« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2005, 07:02:10 am »
MSP created a topic just like this in November. MSP is probably just looking to create a ton of controversy.

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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2005, 08:27:39 pm »
I'm pretty sure I didn't.  Just because no one likes Columbus is because he was Italian.  There is no other reason to dislike him.

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« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2005, 08:31:07 pm »
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I'm pretty sure I didn't.  Just because no one likes Columbus is because he was Italian.  There is no other reason to dislike him.
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What... him and his crew going around messing with natives isn't a good reason?
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« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2005, 08:31:18 pm »
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I'm pretty sure I didn't.  Just because no one likes Columbus is because he was Italian.  There is no other reason to dislike him.
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Have you even read the topic? Nobody even mentions him being Italian, we all state true facts about his life.

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« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2005, 08:36:39 pm »
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I'm pretty sure I didn't.  Just because no one likes Columbus is because he was Italian.  There is no other reason to dislike him.
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Dude, no one mentioned him being Italian. Further more, I am Italian, why would I beat up on a guy because he was Italian? Everyone has stated true facts about his life.

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« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2005, 09:13:11 pm »
Christopher Columbus

. "Columbus: Fact vs. Fiction" by the Order Sons of Italy in America

This study presents a series of documented facts on the life of Columbus, his explorations and their significance, as well as the history of Columbus Day in the United States. It also examines the controversial charges about the explorer that have been levied in recent years, which accuse him of racism, genocide, and slave trading.

Using seminal sources, including Columbus's own journals, scholarly biographies and recent research, "Columbus: Fact vs. Fiction" presents convincing evidence that:

The Vinland Map, which allegedly proves that the Vikings arrived in North America in 1000 AD, is probably a forgery.


Columbus never owned any slaves or brought any to the Western Hemisphere from Africa.


Columbus did not consider the natives he encountered to be racially inferior. In fact, according to his own journals, he admired the gentle Tainos, whom he described as physically beautiful, generous, innocent and intelligent.


The New World was not a disease-free "Garden of Eden" that the early European explorers contaminated. Tests on pre-Columbian mummies, recently discovered far from the first European colonies, reveal the native populations suffered from syphilis, tuberculosis, arthritis and periodontal disease. Few lived past the age of 40.

Who is Buried in Columbus' Tomb?

The remains of the man who first crossed the Atlantic Ocean more than 500 years ago could be in either the Old World of Europe or the New World of the Americas...or both! Although this mystery will never be solved, the fact that Christopher Columbus' ashes are shared by the two worlds he helped connect seems poetically appropriate.


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« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2005, 09:52:44 pm »
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I'm pretty sure I didn't.  Just because no one likes Columbus is because he was Italian.  There is no other reason to dislike him.
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Have you even read the topic? Nobody even mentions him being Italian, we all state true facts about his life.
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Dude, no one mentioned him being Italian. Further more, I am Italian, why would I beat up on a guy because he was Italian? Everyone has stated true facts about his life.
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Do we think alike, or what? x.x

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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2005, 09:55:41 pm »
Is it a rule that everyone on this forum must hate what I like or is the whole world sick but me?

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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2005, 09:55:42 pm »
Oh LOL! That is cool.

Edit: ^Talking to GreenDayFreak


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MiraclrPlz

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« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2005, 07:44:13 pm »
I just find it odd that no one, not even the conservatives, like Columbus.

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« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2005, 08:05:10 pm »
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Thank you God for allowing America to make a holiday on such a wonderful man.  He brought Catholicism to the natives.  He discovered America.  He brought fine goods like tabocco and natural resources to help the natives.  He proved thee world was not flat, but round like a sphere.  If that is not holiday worthy, I don't know what is.  Vive Italia!
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Leif Erikson is the one who truly discovered America... Scandinavians deserve the credit if anything. We discovered a lot of things back in our day. And Christopher Columbus was NOT Italian. He was English I believe... Amerigo Vespucci was who America was named after. HE was Italian.
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« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2005, 08:29:14 pm »
Columbus was indeed Italian. His true name was Christofo Columbo I think. Something similar at least.

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« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2005, 12:33:59 pm »
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I just find it odd that no one, not even the conservatives, like Columbus.
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I dont dislike the guy, I just dont think he should be considered an American Icon because he had nothing to do with America.

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« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2005, 07:03:00 pm »
He had EVERYTHING to do with America.

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« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2005, 07:15:36 pm »
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Is it a rule that everyone on this forum must hate what I like or is the whole world sick but me?
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Is it really? O_O I must've missed that part :P

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« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2005, 07:22:42 pm »
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Is it a rule that everyone on this forum must hate what I like or is the whole world sick but me?
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MSP it's more along the lines of you being the USB's most conservative member. And the liberals like me have different beliefs than you. Anyway back on topic American would have been discovered even if Columbus never existed.

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« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2005, 08:24:08 pm »
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He had EVERYTHING to do with America.
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Like what? The man never touched American soil and most likely didn't even know that it existed.

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« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2005, 03:16:22 pm »
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Is it a rule that everyone on this forum must hate what I like or is the whole world sick but me?
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MSP it's more along the lines of you being the USB's most conservative member. And the liberals like me have different beliefs than you. Anyway back on topic American would have been discovered even if Columbus never existed.
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Well yeah. I think those folks at Plymoth Plantaion are pretty much my favorite becuase they didn't kill anyone, they made friends with them. They deserve the title as discoveres of America.

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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2005, 07:45:38 pm »
And there is no proof Columbus did that.

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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2005, 07:47:53 pm »
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And there is no proof Columbus did that.
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There's also no true proof saying that Columbus had anything to do with America

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« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2005, 10:18:03 am »
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And there is no proof Columbus did that.
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So what? There is barely any proof of a lot of stuff but that does not make it not true.

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« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2005, 02:44:08 pm »
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And there is no proof Columbus did that.
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You must have gone to a VERY biased school.

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« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2005, 08:38:33 pm »
My school biased?  So many text books are so liberally slanted.  My brother used to have a textbook that made Carter out to be a great president.  He was a menace to society!

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« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2005, 09:49:43 am »
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He didn't even discover it. He never stepped foot on it.
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How would you even kno if he never stepped foot on it? history could have been lost over time

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« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2005, 02:59:55 pm »
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My school biased?  So many text books are so liberally slanted.  My brother used to have a textbook that made Carter out to be a great president.  He was a menace to society!
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Face it your school is biased. Every school is... :blink: It's just your job to avoid it.
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« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2005, 03:10:44 pm »
Your lucky you get a holiday devoted to him. Were just Canadian, eh?
it got too real

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« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2005, 03:50:23 pm »
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Your lucky you get a holiday devoted to him. Were just Canadian, eh?
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No we aren't lucky. Y'all are the ones that are lucky.
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« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2005, 06:47:03 pm »
Scandinavians MSP... we discovered it first before Columbus did. try over 700 years before he did.

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« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2005, 08:24:19 pm »
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Is it a rule that everyone on this forum must hate what I like or is the whole world sick but me?
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MSP it's more along the lines of you being the USB's most conservative member. And the liberals like me have different beliefs than you. Anyway back on topic American would have been discovered even if Columbus never existed.
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I am conservative... I just don't agree with him when it comes to religion.

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« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2005, 08:03:58 pm »
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Is it a rule that everyone on this forum must hate what I like or is the whole world sick but me?
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MSP it's more along the lines of you being the USB's most conservative member. And the liberals like me have different beliefs than you. Anyway back on topic American would have been discovered even if Columbus never existed.
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I am conservative... I just don't agree with him when it comes to religion.
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I actually don't agree on him when he portrays the Catholic Church as if it were superior and other stuff because all hes' doing is making us Catholics look bad. I mean he told me he's currently on the ongoing proccess of converting all the non-Catholic members of USB into Catholics. I mean that's ridiculous he knows this is isn't RCIA (the REAL process where you you can convert).
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« Reply #45 on: February 19, 2005, 06:14:15 pm »
I am a Protestant, and nothing MSP says will change that... I actually have a grudge against Catholics as it is. Everything MSP says makes it worse.

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« Reply #46 on: February 19, 2005, 08:05:39 pm »
Well the Catholic Church was around first.  Cmonkey tried to claim that Islam has more members than the Catholic Church.  He is Wrong.  Catholicism has 1.1 billion and muslimism has 1.3 bill.  But there are many different sects, Sunis, Shi'ytes, and Wahablians(who feel all other people are infidels, even other muslims.  Bin Laden belongs to this group.) and so on.  And each different sect is a differnt Religion.  So there are mostly Catholics because it is only one religion.

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« Reply #47 on: February 19, 2005, 08:11:31 pm »
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He didn't "bring" catholicism, he killed, enslaved, and raped natives so they'd agree with him.
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exactly he didnt tell them he MADE them.