The debate den officially sucks. You guys are no longer debating anything, but instead spending your time trying to prove MSP wrong. Acting like kids about subjects that have been done to death. How man homosexual related threads do we have? How many anti-Bush related threads do we have? About 5,000,000. I'm getting sick and tired of MSP this and MSP that. Lets face it, you'll never change his opinions and he'll never change yours. You guys are fighting an uphill battle.